FAQ

I want to participate in Openstreetmap, and especially tag ways suitable for Cycling

See https://www.velomap.org/tutorials/participate/

 

How can I add my data / my streets / my tracks to the VeloMap?

See https://www.velomap.org/tutorials/participate/

 

I have a Velomap Premium Membership - can I also download OpenMTBMap Premium Maps?

Yes of course. But though I run both websites - they have a different database. So please download all Premium Openmtbmaps from here (as your login will not work on openmtbmap.org):

Windows/Linux : https://www.velomap.org/download/openmtbmap/

Mac OSx - just scroll down on the Mac OSx download page.

 

When will (my) edits show up in the VeloMap?

Usually at the latest 8 days after you commit them. VeloMaps get updated once weekly.

 

Can you offer combined maps, e.g. Italy/Switzerland/Austria/Germany ?

Yes if you donate there is a full map of Europe for download.

You could also download the Alps map.

 

Country / Area X is not yet offered.

By now I have worldwide maps. Some maps are for people who donate only (North America & full map of Europe).

In Principal - if it is offered by geofabrik ( http://download.geofabrik.de/ ) as extract, I will have a map for it. If not yet - please drop me a comment.

 

There is a virus in the download X (usually Norton (Symantec) Antivirus):

If Norton Antivirus is installed on your computer, you may get a warning that the "WS.Reputation.1" threat is found after downloading most maps.

Unfortunately, the unsuspecting user has been put on the wrong track: WS.Reputation.1 isn't a virus at all! Symantec (the creator of Norton) uses the following rule: popular programs that are downloaded often are probably safe. Programs where this doesn't apply (and that Symantec doesn't know of) are labeled unsafe automatically; even when it isn't harmful at all.

Please use another virusscanner; there are plenty with a better reputation...

 

Avast Antivirus and others sometimes complain about gmt.exe - gmt.exe or gmaptool is needed in order to have the create* .bat files to run. You could also get if from here: http://gmaptool.eu/en/content/gmaptool

As ist performs many lowlevel operations on the .img mapfiles, many antivirus will consider it a thread.

 

If you are still unsure, please simply unpack any .exe you downloaded from here. All windows installers are nothing more than archived map files, plus the installer which adds some entries to the registry so that Garmin programs find the maps.

 

How should I update my Maps?

a) Just run a new installer ..... or ....

b) first click on uninstall.bat or uninstall.exe, then delete all files from the folder, then put in the new files, and then reinstall.

 

 

In Mapsource everything is fine, on my GPS I miss: Streets and other info Include Routing is grayed out, or other ...

Please Read https://www.velomap.org/tutorials/send-maps-to-your-gps/mapsource/

Comments about this will be deleted from now on whithout mercy, WTF - do you think I write the tutorials so you come ask questions before reading the solutions?

 

 

Mapsource doesn't start and complains that no maps are installed.

RTFM https://www.velomap.org/tutorials/install-mapsource/

and https://www.velomap.org/tutorials/install/ .

 

 

Mapsource doesn't start and complains it has to be reinstalled.

Read through here if you have done everything correctly:

https://www.velomap.org/tutorials/install/

Usually this should not happen. There are several ways to solve this.

1. click on uninstall.exe or uninstall*.bat ("run as administrator" or it won't work). If it has been the map you just installed and it still not works then another map is responsible but not one you downloaded from velomap.org. To solve it see 2.

2. Install Mapsettoolkit cypherman1.googlepages.com/home and delete any map you suspect maybe breaking Mapsource. To help you finding maps installed incorrectly click on "Check Registry". You can use mapsettolkit to reintall any map that didn't break Mapsource via the "Install" button to the right of "Check Registry".

To install a map that did break Mapsource read on here: installation-with-mapsettoolkit/

ONLY CONTACT ME PERSONALLY BY EMAIL IF: you have checked and found out that it was one of my maps breaking Mapsource. In that case I will need your OS, Mapsource Version, and which map it has been including the date of download. If you didn't read through here and tried mapsettoolkit I will not respond to your mail. .

3. Install Mapsource 6.16.3 - it does not crash as easily as old version and is much more tolerant for faulty maps.

 

You can also check with this tool: http://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html

it is more complex than Mapset Toolkit though - but also more modern and actually finds more errors without showing unimportant ones.

 

Is there a possibility to send maps faster than with Mapsource?

Well did you read through the tutorial? You can send maps directly to an external card reader, then it will be much faster than to your GPS connected via USB. Once exportet as gmapsupp.img, you can combine several gmapsupp.img with gmaptool. Read gmaptool documentation on how to do that. It's not trivial for beginners....

 

 

Autorouting does not work well on my GPS / Different to Mapsource

Have you read through About--> Autorouting? Try setting the same settings (start with Car/Motorcycle and enable/disable "avoid toll roads", and use "faster route"). The main difference is that Mapsource can calculate longer routes without inbetween points and calculates faster. The only unit currently having more or less it's own mind is the Garmin Edge series, which also has no "avoid toll roads" option to set to deactivate routing over non "trekking bike suitable" ways.

 

 

Mapsource or my GPS (PNA) crashes on calculating a route, or does not react anymore

Autorouting is very complex. This is a well known problem for which there is no solution (yet). Both Mapsource and the GPS units are quite limited in calculation power. 

Try to route over shorter distances. The better the OSM Coverage is in your area, the more likely a long route will be calculated. The bicycle mode further makes route calculation over longer distances even worse as it excludes many roads from routing.

Commercial Maps like City Navigator or OSM maps made for caruse work better because they use highway=motorway and highway=trunk for long distances and thereby reduce the number of times you have to turn. There is a maximum limit of 100 turns to reach your destination without putting inbetween nodes - but likely with velomap the limit is more 10-40 turns depending on how well the area is mapped.

Note that the GPS may well need 1-2 minutes for longer calculations (and don't trust the progress bar, it's broken on many units, so just because it arrived on the end does not mean that the route cannot be calculated). The velomap is not intended to autoroute you from city to city but autoroute you over nice trails on rather short distances. My goal is that routing works in well mapped areas on air distance of around 40-50km without breaking down.

I will try to further optimize to reach this. Currently if an area is well mapped it is rather 10-30km.

Also note the biggest problem we face. Many roads are not connected in OSM

If a road is not connected the GPS will not route you along. Please correct any unconnected streets you notice. (also connect gondolas or cablecars to streets so they can be used too for routing). .

 

 

Can you help me with Mapsource, mkgmap, ....

Please have a look into GPS relevant forums. Good forums in english language can be found on www.groundspeak.com or www.gpspassion.com - in German language www.naviboard.de or www.naviuser.at. Also read through wiki.openstreetmap.org/ and the Openstreetmap forum (has Garmin section): forum.openstreetmap.org/index.php

I'm really getting tired of reading through comments that are answered already in 90% of all cases in the tutorials and/or are explained in the help file of Garmin Mapsource. Mapsource is relatively easy to use, but you will need at least several hours or even days to find out the full potential. Use Qlandkarte GT if your a beginner, it's easier. There are also great Tutorials in German offered here: http://www.silvia-kurt.de/index_gpsinformation.htm

 

 

I would like to have a look into the style-file for mkgmap - or suggest changes to the velomap

Sorry, that's private now. I had too much bad experience, and few actual use and improvements.

   

 

 

 

Some areas/polygons are not rendered

Well this is a problem of Multipolygons. there are several related but different problems (mkgmap the renderer will be overhauled in this regard soon to solve this)

a) Sea is rendered incorrectly - this is currently very difficult to achieve with mkgmap. I am sure this will change sometimes. Also very often people crash the coastline in OSM data, or the extract by geofabrik crashes the coastline.

b) Instead of an area there is another area rendered. Please use Multipolygons to solve this. There is no way mkgmap can know what is above or below.

c) Some area (mostly water of forest) is not rendered at all in some places. Is the area a Multipolygon Relation? Sorry currently not supported by mkgmap. This case is very rare (one expample is the Wienerwald missing).

Mapnik and Osmarender have better implementation of Multipolygons and also support unofficial tags like layer=value. There is however no possibility to implement something like layer for Garmin maps. If several Polygons overlap, the definitions in the .TYP-file determine which is shown on top of each other. This has to be done for the whole map. I.e. it is hit and miss whether to show water over forest, or forest over water. So depending on the TYP-File some maps for Garmin will show areas in some places and drop others, and the other way around. BTW also maps sold by Garmin heavily (even much worse) suffer from this problem.

 

 

I don't like the colors, design, streets are too fat, not well visible on my GPS, etc....

You can change your Typfile using maptk . You can basically change the layout as you like, or also make certain roads/objects invisible. This is rather advanced, note that I will not help you on that, but the GPS Forums are full of advice on this.

 

Zip-Archive is broken

Please unpack with 7-zip (www.7-zip.org) or winrar. Maps are packed with LZMA2 compression, so windows unzipper can't unpack them. Linux users schoud have no problems at all if they install p7zip (sudo apt-get install p7zip)

 

I have some more questions about the velomap.org not answered on the page or I could not find out googling

Put a comment below. If I feel it's important I will write a new topic or add it to the FAQ.

30 comments to FAQ

  • Martin_Gerken

    Auf meinem Montana 610 kommt folgende Meldung nach der Übertragung eines kleinen Teiles der Europa-Karte per mapsource:
    “can t Authenticate Maps. Contact content seller for help.

    • extremecarver

      Steht doch groß oben drüber – beim MOntana 610 kannst du keine Unicode Karten verwenden (wenn also bei der Karte (Unicode) dabeisteht – musst du auf die Non Unicode Version ausweichen).

  • ThomasGrasse

    Das TYP file wird von Basecamp neu geladen, wenn man in den Einstellungen -> Anzeige -> Bezeichnungen die Detailstufe verändert.

  • ThomasGrasse

    Hallo,
    ich ändere das Kartenlayout, wie hier beschrieben:
    https://www.velomap.org/de/tutorials/install-maps-mac-osx/#4_Schritt_Kartenlayout_auswaehlen_und_aendern

    Leider sehe ich in Basecamp (macOS) keine Änderung.

    Muss ich noch etwas beachten?

    Viele Grüße,
    Thomas

    • extremecarver

      Liegt am Cache. Bin mir grad nicht sicher wie du unter OSx den Cache löschst – probier mal wo reinzuzoomen wo du noch nie nah reingzoomt hast. Evtl springt es dann um – bzw mal Details ein/ausschalten.

  • marcusx

    Auf dem Garmin Oregon 600 gibt es bei den Karteneinstellungen “plastische Karte” mit der die Karte 3Diger dargestellt wird. Die openmtbmap kann da aber scheinbar nix mit anfangen. Gibt es eine Geländemodell Datei die man noch installieren kann um die 3D Darstellung in der openmtbmap zu aktivieren?

    • extremecarver

      Nicht direkt – nur indem du eine original Garmin Karte mit Höhenlinien installierst. Aber ehrlich gesagt – dass ist am Oregon 600 ziemlicher Schrott. Da der Kontrast damit flöten geht.
      Wenn schon bräuchtest du eine Original Topo – nur die hat ein DEM was halbwegs fein aufgelöst ist.
      Du kannst für Deutschland zum probieren mal nach der Garmin Winterkarte OSM oder so suchen – die ist direkt auf Garmin.de runterladbar -kostenlos – und hat ein DEM. Es reicht wenn die ans Oregon 600 gesendet wurde und deaktiviert ist – um das DEM für plastische Ansicht zu benutzen für alle Karten.

  • matthiasB

    Moin moin,

    ich habe die velomap auf meinem Etrex 30 installiert während im Basecamp die qlandkarte aktiv war. Macht das ausgewählte Basecamp-Layout einen unterschied für das Layout am Gerät?

    Vielen Dank und keep up the good work!

    • extremecarver

      Ja – Bitte les dir das Beginner Tutorial und karten senden durch. Du kannst die Karte nicht am Gerät installieren – sondern nur mit Basecamp senden… (oder hast du mit qlandkarte GT gesendet? Dann ist Basecamp layout egal – sondern das aktuelle Layout in Qlandkarte GT ist entscheidend.

  • Tim Hoyle

    In Summer 2015 we will be cycling in Germany along the Czech border. Can you please tell me which maps would be better to use – Openmtbmap Germany or ‘German Bundeslaender’ maps? Also is there any difference between these maps and the Openmtbmap Europe?
    Thanks for a very good service.
    Tim

    • extremecarver

      If you cycle along the Czech border – and also sometimes cross the border – then take the Europe map.

      The difference is only the area covered (except some tiny differences – and that the Europe map is less often updated).

  • Mehltretter Gerhard

    Servus,

    2 Fragen: 1. kann ich die Kartenlegende auch für Mac downloaden?
    2. ich hätte eine Änderung an einer Karte vorzunehmen, in OSM ist die Straße aber korrekt eingezeichnet, habe die Bayern-Karte gerade aktualisiert, der Fehler ist aber noch drauf. Was tun, wo kann ich korrigieren?

    Danke – Super-Arbeit!

    Gerhard

  • Max Niehues

    Hallo,
    ich habe die karte us_west mit integrierten Höhenlinien installiert. Wie kann ich die Höhe als Schattierung anzeigen, um die Übersichtlichkeit zu steigern?
    Danke im voraus

    • extremecarver

      Das geht nicht – da die Karten kein DEM haben. Das unterstützen derzeit nur Garmins eigene Karten da das DEM Format unbekannt ist (bzw nicht komplett bekannt).
      Es bringt sowieso wenn nur am Dekstop was. Auf den GPS Unit Displays reduziert es den Kontrast viel zu stark und macht es sinnlos.

  • extremecarver

    Dann, Cancel – starte es nochmal neu. Und passe auf dass du dem Installer die Höhenliniendatei (siehe separater Download) korrekt zeigst (evtl lad die Höhenlinien neu runter – evtl sind die Unvollständig).

  • Robert Thürich

    Hallo,
    (bestimmt schon mal beantwortet, aber ich finde es nicht)
    die Darstellung eines Tracks auf dem Garmin 800 ist, egal welche Farbe ich auswähle, immer Lila.
    Gibt es eine Möglichkeit die Farbe anders darzustellen?
    Danke

    • extremecarver

      Ich glaube du kannst das am Edge 800 selber auswählen im Track Manager. Die Farbauswahl in Mapsource ist definitiv egal, in Basecamp neueste Version gehts vielleicht?? (aber auch nur wenns am edge selber geht).

  • WIKTOR NIESIOBEDZKI

    Hi,

    Looks like the link to your svn is outdated:
    $ host svn.origo.ethz.ch
    Host svn.origo.ethz.ch not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
    $ host openmtbmap.origo.ethz.ch
    Host openmtbmap.origo.ethz.ch not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)

    Any chance, to get your TYP-file and other mkgmap options?

  • Max Socher

    Ich habe VeloMap-Karten unter MapSource installiert.
    Leider kann ich die Funktion zum Ändern des Layouts nicht finden.
    Was muss ich machen?

    • extremecarver

      Entweder im Startmenü unter Velomap – velomapLAND oder du gehst ins Installationsverzeichnis der karte (Standard c:/garmin/velomap/veloLAND ) und führst dort die change_layout_velomap…. .exe aus.

  • Herbert

    Hallo,
    gibt es beim Routing einen Unterschied zwischen dem Race-Layout und dem Velo-Layout.
    Gruß Herbert

  • conradp

    Hi,
    Sind die Bundesländer Karten detaillierter als die Deutschland VELOMAP?

    Viele Grüße und weiter so!
    Philipp

  • Ralf Schmidt

    Ich habe die Velomap auf einem Garmin Oregon 450 installiert (über Mac und Basecamp).

    Allerdings kann ich am GPS weder eine Strecke von ca. 40 km navigieren noch eine Routenplanung über dieselbe Strecke machen. Jedesmal endet die Berechnung am Gerät mit der Fehlermeldung, dass nicht genügend Speicher vorhanden sei. Die Velomap ist auf der SD Karte installiert und im Speicher des Gerätes sind ca. 800 Mb frei.

    Irgendeine Idee woran das liegen kann?

    P.S. Die in Basecamp erzeugte und an das Gerät übertragene Route funktioniert.

    Grüße
    Ralf

  • Matthias Heppe

    Hallo, Hallo,

    ich arbeite schon lange mit GPS und Garmin. Jetzt habe mich hier registriert und finde diese Seite und die Karten Klasse. Ich kann mir gut vorstellen, wie viel Arbeit und Zeit hier drin steckt!

    Ein Frage: Wenn ich in Basecamp Tracks erstelle bzw. aus dem Internet Tracks herunter lade, die keine Höhendaten enthalten, ist es nicht möglich, die Höhendaten der Karte zu übernehmen und ein Höhenprofil des Tracks zu erstellen. Dieses wichtige Feature fehlt mir sehr bei der Tourplanung. Geht das grundsätzlich mit diesen Karten nicht oder mache ich etwas falsch? Die Höhenlinien habe ich mit geladen und diese werden auch korrekt angezeigt. Speziell habe ich dies mit der Italien- und der Österreichkarte probiert. wenn ich meine ältere Garmin-Austria-Karte aktiviere, geht diese Funktion sofort.
    Danke mh

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